moe i still dont understand this spline thing. remember when i told you in the chat room, only way i know how to make a spline is on a four point square. so with a spoon which is rounded how do i do that? i love all the spoons but im not learning anything really cause its all about splines. you all gotta remember im still new at modeling....lol. i mean sure i have made some nice models but im still new though. so you gotta talk to me like i am a four year old....hehe