im not sure.. found some in freestuff, but to be honest ive never been impressed with 3DCafe's retail models. there are osme nice ones on the De Espona collection, but i dont have $500 to drop right now on a website im creating out of charity :( this is why if at all possible id like to find one for free - im short on cash as it is, and im already losing money creating this site (time could be spent working on other things)... id rather not go into the red on this one :( cheers, -gabriel