Connatic, ;) Well, to use all of the 3D software that I mentioned, learning alot of that stuff was vital! Of course, programming 3D engines and so forth makes all of it even more vital. Hey, I resemble that remark. My art is neither boring nor similar. FYI :), I started out as a traditional artist (pencil, pen, crayon, charcoal, pastels, watercolors, gauche, oil, tempora, acrylic, enamel (plastics), lacquer (airbrushing guitars and cars). My style is surrealistic/fantasy, but I can do regular stuff like still-lifes, portraits, commercial work, and so on. Here's where I can connect the two. An artist who doesn't know or care to know about the properties of the medium being used or how to use the tools, is doomed to failure. Can you use watercolors on a metal surface that'll be outdoors for a permanent piece of artwork? Is it a good idea to touch an oil painting after only an hour? Do some mediums melt plastic? How does the medium's pigments combine to get the desired colorations? Each medium has its differences, each tool its use. You must know the pros and cons, ins and outs, limitations and powers of your 3D apps just like the mediums and tools used in traditional art. In all honesty, like other 3D apps, Poser should mention its systems and their pros and cons in the manual. Imagine may be using Quaternions or a form of HPB that circumvents gimbal lock (like Cinema 4D). BYS