Forum: Poser - OFFICIAL


Subject: Anna-Marie Goddard Digital Clone questions of use...

MachineClaw opened this issue on May 23, 2003 ยท 207 posts


Rio posted Tue, 27 May 2003 at 6:54 PM

Theres many texture/morph/character packs made from/of "real" people (and celebrities too) we do it all the time, its the best reference. Not everyone does celebrities due to uncertain copyright restrictions (off the top of my head i know for certain theres a really good and very recognizable Angelina Jolie morph here at Renderosity tho) but its been done. DAZ's V3, the 3d model for your texture was made from a professional model, morphed from her, texture as well. so hes got a point there. but skin is skin is skin, whether its you or anyone for that matter, so why all the restrictions? you feel that harm would come out of certain types of renders, so I guess what we are all really just curious about is WHY you may feel rendered pictures of your texture, morph or no, would cause you any harm to person or reputation. the commercial aspect i can see clearly, if someone intends to make money of your own skin i can see why youd want a restriction, or shoot at least a cut right ;) but for personal use, esp from the hobbyists that make up this community, thats hard to swallow because we are so accustomed to buying our textures and morphs and knowing we can use them to all our creative extents, no harm ever intended. So dont take all these posts the wrong way, or take them personally against you, when someone makes such restrictions to a EULA (you dont know about the ragings that went on about the Poser 5 EULA..whew..), the artists here take things liek that really seriously..no one lieks being told what they can and cant do, and even more so if they dont understand or agree to why they cant do these things. that (ugh dont even get me started) singer Shakira, apparently painted a picture of Monica Lewinsky suckin a carrot, or somethin of the sort, and sold it to one of her record execs, or someone of the sort. Im sure if monica saw that painting she wouldnt be thrilled about it either, monica isnt sueing shakira. and im not sure bout copyrights or rights to the person being painted, celebrity or no.. i mean if someone paints a pic of me naked bangin a tree (for the worst example possible..memories of Evil Dead..ahhh...)w/o my consent would i even be able to sue? if not who gives a fuck, just because they see someones painting, doesnt mean they think omfg Rio is a tree-fucker! or that everyone would assume some bad impression of me by seeing someons else painting... and if i WAS able to sue, why would i need to have restrictions telling people they cant make these pics of me, when i know they cant and i can bust their asses for it anyway? this changes i know for public personalities, as they become a sort of copyrighted trademark. which is why many art sites wont let anyone post pics of celebrities no matter how tasteful or well done. so this a lot of us know. and speaking of which id liek to know flat out is it compeltely illegal to paint a celebrity w/o their consent for that reason? either way that changes by your aadding your additions to the EULA, then whther its legal or not, by buyin that texture you MUST consent to the agreement, so if you say no, that means no, and if we dont liek it, we wont buy it. and a lot of people arent gonna like it, and tons of sales will be lost because of it. its nothin personal against you, im sure we can understand the reason for these additions, but as i said before, we take our EULA's very seriously, if we cant post what we wanna post, let alone post at all.... i think what we are lookin from from you since youve decided to join us, is maybe you can give us your perspective as a celebrity as to why you feel you need protection from these possible lude sorts of renders, or even just a naked render of the texture (a pic im pretty sure would hardly be recognizeable as you in our collective opinions, by comparing the promos to your photos, i dont see a resemblance at all, no offense), how you feel they would affect you as a person. We know now from you why the restrictions were made, maybe you could tell us why you feel they needed to be made, what this protection is for, and how harm to you as person or reputation could come from a 3d render of your product. we'd finally hear it from a direct celebrity source, as im sure we all really appreciate you taking part in this conversation, that was awesome of you to do so. ;)