Clint, I know exactly what you mean! I am a perfectionist, so I am always my hardest critic, and never satisfied either... I was piddling a while ago with the terrain editor though, and discovered something kinda cool. Don't know what the hell I'm gonna do with it, but I'll post something with a sample pic later tonite... 8^) BTW, Thanks for all the supportive comments guys. I wasn't THAT down on myself earlier, but was just commenting on the quality of everybody else's work, (especially the realism!) and wondering if I could get to that level of quality with the limited amount of practice time I have... But I really do appreciat the comments. It just goes to show how supportive this forum and the whole damn Renderosity Community is! HG...