I like the Lightwave promo shot, though the product is for poser, go figure. I'm one of the 'artists rights' people, or person shrug If I cannot use a bought product for doing my art and selling it using poser, I might as well just through out the computer and go back to oil painting. I have no desire to promot myself by using another persons name, but the current EULA doesn't even let me NOT mention the name and sell a picture I do, call the render 'untitled 1' and use the 'clone' package and your in violation of the EULA. that's a HUGE problem, aparently Daz is revising. Seems not so long ago that Curious Labs had the same problem with their EULA that was limiting and changed their EULA. Even a minority needs to be heard. I want to do professional level fine art renderings and prints, I started this thread because the 'clone' package seemed to be taking daz in a higher level character/texture product and I am completly interested in a package that is higher end. The EULA seemed so limiting that even hobbiests would have a problem complying with the EULA. I'm glad that AnnaMarie posted and commented, however the writing is in the EULA, and I don't take someones word for that they won't sue, someone wouldn't even way down the road. That's why EULA are important, they GIVE the buyer of a product their useage rights, hence my rights as an artist to use a specific product. "You know, I really don't understand what all this fuss is about. Are we all panicking and paranoid because we're not allowed to make weird, perverted pictures with this new AMG figure, and then sell them for huge amounts of money? I mean.... come on, people!" it's not about perversion, and the fuss is about not being able to use a bought product. Daz aparently 'gets it' since they are revising the EULA. I don't want to sell images of AMG, I want to sell my images, and if I use the 'clone' package, currently nobody can the way the EULA is written. THAT is what the fuss is about. Now, Daz and AMG have every right to do what they want, it's their product, but I have my right to voice my concerns and be direct about specifically what I want to do with the package. BTW which has not been addressed in any my posts yet. If I make a 50's calander with Vicki3 and sell it, the world is my oyster to play in no problems, but right now with the 'clone' package without using AMG name or even with the AMG name, I have to ask permission currently under the EULA. I'm rambling and ranting now, so I'll stop that. 'The Fuss' is real, and it is important to some, very important to my work, if it is not to yours, I'm glad for you but please do not bash on me for asking and stating my opinons and questions. Peace Out.