I don't think Poser has killed it, couldn't say about the detailing, you can't really see it in the Lightwave screen grab. Anyway, I think the bowl is modelled waay too flat, could do with being at least twice as deep as it is now, and the metal could be a little thicker (or is that a single skin? - if so I posted a work round in the earlier thread that should let you thicken it up!) Sort those things out and I think it'll look great! Nice metal texture by the way! _ Baz