Thanks for this very useful discussion... I've been sitting on my hands for a month, trying to decide whether or not to buy Poser, but while $180 is within my range, the extra $150 for Vickie and Mike and all their morphs have really put me off. It's nice to hear that what I want to do (make realistic looking people, rather than idealised figures) using the basic program. Maybe I'll have to order the software, afterall... :)