Fair enough, Poser5 didn't do it for you so you backtracked...I'm fairly happy with P5 though, but as I understand things, different people with different CPU setups have different experienses with P5. I agree with you that it seems CL sold the program a year too early since so many people have had problems, but then again I personly haven't experienced any major issues... Anyways, glad you're enjoying yourself again, that is afterall what this is all about :-) -Hanz