I forgot to mention that if you want the 1000+ models that come with Simply3D3, a lot of clipart and photos, Windows Draw 6 (vector app), Picture Publisher 8 (like Paint Shop Pro or PhotoImpact kinda) and Media Manager 8 (image thumbnail cataloging program) it's about $40 at http://www.us.buy.com/soft/product.asp?sku=20007991 Such a deal for the models alone, the other software I use too, except Media Manager. Simply3D3 costs more stand-alone than this bundled package. I am not affiliated with Micrografix just buy a lot of their software when the prices get really cheap. It's old stuff actually, phased out in the local stores here quite a while ago but the models don't go "bad" and the software works fine in Win95-Win98SE. If you want to see all the models that come with the software check out my screen shots of the model thumbnails - they don't give you a printed model catalog when you buy the software so I made my own browseable text file and jpg files of each category so I don't have to open each catalog in the software to find a model I want. http://members.xoom.com/tubes/s3d/index.html BTW, Simply 3D3 can import Poser people and props saved in obj format so you can build scenes and use its ray tracing engine to render them. That means real mirrors, real reflections, etc. It's not really good at making sophisticated models (simple vases, bowls, etc are easy to make though) but it does a good job at rendering and I find it very easy to use. All the prefabbed animations, animated and still lights, plenty of textures and models make this program give the most bang for the buck. You can't animate your poser people's joints like you can in Poser but you can rotate, spin, squash, bend and otherwise distort them as a fixed pre-posed model.