Yikes! I am amazed at the fast flood of posts to my original post. You see, I am a jeweler, working in precious metals, other metals, gemstones, etc. Yes, it is now a profession but started as a hobby. And I am good at it. In computer graphics, I am just learning direction but Poser has stimulated my creative side to an almost "can't resist" position. MachineClaw mentioned prices on Poser 4, not bad at all for start up. I can do that. Yikes again, likely will cost me more later, as does any hobby that becomes part of my creative outlet. I'll keep the woodworking stuff I have, now, any buyers for the lapidary stuff? No, I will keep that, too. Loved it when I did it. Now there is little room or time for it, still it is "available". This little office room with the computer is the space now. I might be in "trouble" or in for a wonderful experience learning my abilities and limitations with Poser. Your instant responses are a convincing assertion. What is inside, must come out, even if not fit at first for others it will be me at some stage of learning. I will let you know on this thread what happens with the credit card and the software. : ) God Bless. TomD'Art.