Tom! You are lost! Lost I tell you..... Poser is worse than drugs. You've had it! I upgraded to P5 a couple of months ago, even though I can't really afford it. And this week I got the crossgrade to Vue 4 from Bryce5 (for about $100, incredible) although I really, REALLY can't afford it. And I cruise the Poser stores every day - Rosity, RDNA, 3DC, DAZ, etc..... My worst month I think I spent $400 on Poser stuff. Some time last year. Meeting at PA (Poserholics Anonymous) : "Hi. My name is Fish and I'm a Poserholic. I know I'm amongst friends here. But don't think you'll ever get me off this, there is NO WAY. So don't nag, I'm in here to stay." Poser becomes a way of life. It's not something you just drop and leave. Giving up Poser would be like chopping off my leg, honestly. Oh - to the original question - I'm mostly enthusiast and amateur in Poser, but have in fact sold a couple of images, used in both printed matter and cd-rom production. Which pays for some of all the stuff I buy. But really it's because I love it. :] Fish Poserholic