Trekkie, DAZ has a cartoon female figure named Bertha. I believe that is what was being referred to ... not your Bertha :) everyone else, I remember when, a long long time ago ..people were thrilled to be able to change the bodyshape AT ALL, and never mind the clothing. Few people these days are willing to do two hours of painstaking work just to get one small problem fixed. In my opionion, the artists who want something more extreme will buy the tools they need to do the work they want to make. Tailor makes a number of things easier now ..but where there is a need a tool will be made for it. The Texture Converter came out less than a month after V3 ...not bad for development time. People who expect to open Poser and have everything laid out for them in a one-click format are going to be stuck with 'mainstream' taste. You get out what you are willing to put in. Lyrra