Well i have to say that now i will be doing some more dynamic stuff because Rjghise THAT is exactly how i wanted the linen suit to look when i made it, i wish i'd kept the original magazine image to show you because you have it off to a tee, did the seams give you any trouble..i think i gotta go try this ;o)....having said that though i don't mean i'll be switching over to p5 dynamic clothes as the complex stuff just doesn't suit it, the majority of anything i make will be P4 style but Rjghise's image shows the potential for Dynamic versions at least along side the conforming....i'm off to play with the linen set ;o).....Steve