hehe I think we got a tad side tracked on the subject ehre but hey ill throw my 2 bits worth never the less I work for on of the big ISP's out there as a Tech Support agent and this is what we suggest to our customers.... #1 Ad-Ware is the best (FREE) software out there to kill spyware. Most of us arn't made of money so that is the best way to go. #2 Anti-Virus software is like Ford and Chevy... ask a Ford driver what is the best truck and he will always say the same about Fords being the best. The point here is simply GET ANTI-VIRUS SOFTWARE regardless of who. anythin gis better then nothing and ALL and i do mean ALL anti software has the potential to mess with a machine... its the nature of the beast. Get what you can afford and backup your systems. #3 If your haveing troubles with pop-ups get a popup blocker... again for the price in my opinion a program called Crazy Browser is one of the best (and its free) #4 A firewall is designed to stop incomeing and out going traffic that YOU do not know about... if you click on the ok button to download something the firewall steps aside adn lets it threw... so be wary of where you click. If it "automatically" downloads check your browser settings nothing automatically downloads except when set to. Either which way run Ad-Aware once a week and youll catch most of what gets threw to your machine (spyware wise at least). That said heheh i am sure there will be plenty arguements on the subject... jsut remember its only my opinion, but it does seem to work for the 50+ people i talk to everyday. Cal thanks for takeing the responcability of trying to help stop all of this crap on the web not many companies do.