Doc, If you think it will do any good you can borrow Darth Mouse for when you talk to Susan - Last time I heard from him though, he was drinking Black and Whites with a bunch of elephants in a tavern in some video game about vampires, telling kangaroo jokes and generally making a pest of himself. (so much for enlightenment.) O.K. so Corel or their venture capital partners won't take 1.5 + futures; offer them 1.4 + futures; after a time if they don't take that offer them 1.3. cheers, - TJ