Yeah, the DAZ sites sucks big time these days but they are aware of it. Ya only have so many warm bodies and always way too many projects. I'm just trying to avoid the DAZ site until sometime in the future. I had several items on my cart a week or so ago and got so frustrated with the dynamic page problem and auto logging out when you hit BACK and whatever that I just gave up and abandoned the items and went shopping elsewhere. Didnt' get exactly what I wanted but it was a more professional experience. DAZ customer service is excellent though and they catch a lot of heat with perfect aplomb. Quite admirable but a prospective online buyer shouldn't have to go through all the hoops just to buy something, verify their card isn't charged twice, etc, etc. Ok, enough dissing of a bad site, it'll hopefully improve in time! In the meantime, I find a lot of good stuff at RIGHT HERE at RENDEROSITY (note the dramatic capitals! can I suck up or what? lol) PoserPros, and other places. Steve