I agree Mo - what were they bragging about how they pay attention to market trends? Idiots! Like I said they don't understand simple market saturation. I bet a bigger percentage of the Mac base owns Bryce than the percentage of the windows user base. Mac users are only about 5 percent of the market total. And as we know they don't even have records on how many people own Bryce so how could they possibly glean these market figures in the first place??? Bloody idiots! Scott