i held back from commenting on Drac's last posting but I just can't resist here. Why on earth are you getting personal with everyone on these forums??? TJohn said what he said and wasn't attacking anyone. It was an optimistic way of looking at the future of Bryce....whats wrong with that??? BTW, us Bryce users (most anyway) dont use Bryce because we think its the most advanced or expert program. I use 3dmax, lightwave and maya but guess what Bryce is my favorite program. Even though the other programs can do much more than Bryce and obviously so much faster. But thats not whay I use it. I love the interface, the look and feel of it. I like to challenge myself with every new image or animation I create. ...so please get off you pedestool, if you feel like bashing everyone on this forum, then maybe this just isnt your forum. good day