Well, Zbrush is fast (unless you're mucking around with 2048 pictures and a while pile of layers, under which things get slow), and while Bryce runs quite smoothly under Direct3D, it bogs without. The same goes for Truespace. "The walk designer in poser 4 would not take as long to load and was responsive and would not crash like p5's." I've never had it crash, and although I've only played with the Poser 4 demo, the loadtimes on both were the same. Now don't get me wrong here- I'm not trying to defend Poser 5's bugs (and there are still some good ones to work out... and why they haven't yet is beyond me) but being a first time user of Poser (and using version 5, obviously) I haven't had much difficulty with it at all. It has its quirks, but then so did Poser 4 when I played with it. The way you guys talk, you'd think Poser 4 was some amazing god-like program without a problem. Are we talking about the same programs here? Is Poser 5 really 50% defunct (and I'm just really blind) or... you're over doing it a bit, maybe?