these are great tips... thanx but what are nodes (dumb question right.) i see node all over the place in poser but im always thinkin... whats that? i have poser 5 and bryce 5 and im getting photoshop 7, and lightwave 4 or something like that. I have made one render from poser into bryce and it wasnt amazing but it looked pretty cool. it was 5 dolphins it was cool. but yeah, thanks for the tips... i d/l some stuff on here but half the time they dont work when i install them.. oh well. thanx