Zerebrom- nice of hear of another Amiga user ;) I'm with you on principle. You have a good point, (that we have the right to have the software work) but Poser 5 is obviously a step into new teritories for Curious, and it is obvious they are trying to get things fixed. At the moment, it isn't a perfect piece of software, but it's pretty good, and (at least) has support. Programs today do seem to be a little rougher around the edges, but even you'd agree that programs like Poser are now doing things that are extremely complex, compared to what similar ones were doing 2+ years ago. Like it or not, we live in an age of increasingly detailed software, and patches. It's just the way of things. With Truespace- I'm using the free 3.2 version. And... WOW does that have some serious rounding errors going on. It might have been 'good' back then, but even after all of its patches, it is still problematic in the way it does things like its painting.