I was on Boddingtons. It's locally brewed (The Cream Of Manchester) but sold nationally. It's better locally 'cos its usually cask and not crappy plastic barrel tap thingys. might give up on these renders until i can borrow a network with fast machines on it. BTW: has anyone actually got lightening to work, i borrwed a laptop off a friend but we couldn't get it to do a bloody thing. John PS: thanks for confirming my suspisons on the render pausing.