I agree with dialyn, Each user should decide for themselves what their needs are, but people who favor Vicky 2 or Vicky 3 (which I also find cumbersome and tedious) should not bad-mouth Judy just because they like Victoria. As for the quality of the meshes, the P5 figures are superior for technical reasons, not aesthetic reasons (which vary widely by personal taste). The fact is that you can NOT pose any Millennium figure with arms or legs bent anywhere near 90 degrees (such as sitting, knealing or picking their nose) without the joints looking terrible. You just don't see that type of joint deformation on Don or Judy when they are posed to even greater extremes. And P5 figures with SDS have fewer polygons, but render as if they were figures with TWICE the polygons of V3 - all without bogging down your system. They are truly advanced figures from a modeliing standpoint. What the p5 figures need is some of these talented people around here to make some nice body morphs for them. Maybe some day we might actually see scenes with BOTH Judy and Victoria in them - getting along like best friends! But please stop criticising the P5 figures for their looks alone - get off yer a** and make them look better if you want that - it is really easy with the face room!