I think it is a case of each to their own! It is clear that different people like different people (victoria or judy) I don't think that people are answering the question that was asked, when they are arguing the merits of victoria or judy! I thought the question started simply enough, Pro pack or Poser 5. If I could afford it, I would buy every poser model going. Why? because I think they all have something to offer. Daz have some great models and I also think that Judy and Don are great and considering that you get Judy and Don when you purchase Poser 5, the value of the software is therefore excellent.