Yea, I think (without getting into some weird custom film) that Ilford Delta 3200 and Kodak T-Max P3200 are the fastest consumer available films out there. I prefer Ilford Delta 3200 over the TMax (it's what I shot the Trolloween pics on my website with). I've pushed it to EI 6400 with really good results. Some of the guys I talk to have pushed it to EI 12500 and even to EI 25,000 with good results. Both films are more contrasty than slower speed b&w films. One thing you need to realize, once you push ID3200 above 3200, in most places you are in the land of custom processing. If you do your own developing, that's not a problem. Right now, I've only found two labs in Seattle that will process my Ilford Delta when I shoot it at EI6400. They both still do hand processing. The problem with the other labs is that they use automated equipment and they aren't programmed to accept the ID3200 at anything higher than 3200. An interesting side note, both 3200 films are not truly ISO 3200 film. They're really ISO 1000, but the shape of the characteristic curves allow them to work so well when used at 3200 that they were rated there. So, when you shoot it at 3200, you are really already pushing the film almost 2 stops. -=>Donald