I happened to be on a site and D/L a "swamp monster" that had "hair and slime",and the credits were given to all including Masa, that's how I heard of it, So I went to the site,(been there before but didn't know what it was so never D/L it. Now I just might. But is this "treemaker" and fur-fur one in the same? or do I have to get this "treemaker" ? is it a all togeather different program? P.S.- mac- thank you for the parent help- understand now. Wish I had someone near me for a friend to show me Poser4, now I got read and it takes so long that way! ha!