(grins!) Stephen Ray, you are a RIOT! As for Corel, aren't they based in USA? What did we all expect? Cash moves everything around us. I'm in NO way supporting the greed that is driving this program into some kind of dramatic Corel vs. the 3D World sitcom. There is a big difference between greed and ambition! Infernal machines. I am very adamantly PC, and by PC what I really mean is AMD at this point. Render times are what's important, since Bryce is nearly the same on Mac or PC. I dislike Microsoft's software in the extreme, almost as much as I dislike ridiculously overpriced shiny / transparent PC's. This goes for ANY pre-built, 500%-plus profit machines, from Apple OR Alienware or whoever. I can build a better machine in minutes for 1/10th the cost, and so can all of you. But, unlike Corel, I have no desire to alienate myself from artists all over the world. Let Corel burn in their own mess. They aren't gonna stop me from making new art, not for longer than the time it takes to pop in here and slander them a bit! (smirks) Have fun rendering!