I am new to Vue. In fact, I am still waiting for my software to arrive. I wanted to have a look at this forum to meet other Vue users and generally to see what I can learn. I think your answers to ming's question were a little harsh. I don't think it is a dumb question and even if you thought it was, you should have a little restraint and common courtesy not to say so! The question is legitmate and sensible. Although, Vue and Poser are completely different programs, a lot of people will use them for the same thing - that is to render 3d images containing 3d characters and vegetation etc.. There are a lot of people, myself included, that use Bryce just for the render machince and more creativity options over Poser. I am sure this is the case for Vue users as well. While the render times will be affected by lights, atmosphere, models, textures etc.. it is perfectly OK to ask for a comparison. I don't think just looking at the galleries of the software is a comparison! You definitely need the same scene to compare. With the Poser image, it may well be minus vegetation or other specific Vue features but that is what can be taken into account when making a comparison. I would want to do that if I am making a buying decision. Well, just my thoughts on the matter. Hope you aren't all so rude and treat newbies to this forum as you have ming. Diane