thank you all for the tips and advice! i can't say it enough how cool everybody here at the brice forum is. some of the other forums i have gone to (for other subjects) could care less about newbies. so i thank you all for taking the time to help me out. innovator, that was pretty damn cool, everything short of doing it for me. i know without a doubt that i will have more questions. thanks again, i appreciate the help! eb