heyas; geeze, el, that sounds like an awful lot of work. :) hmmm... how about this? you build your face you want, then spawn a new morph target with a unique name. like 'my face.' set that to one, the rest back to zero. in fact, if you want to save your character, delete out all the 'sculptural' morphs after you set the face you want. now you have a set face, and the expression morphs can be applied to it. if you took out the other morphs, the pose won't be able to implement them. well, okay, saving to the face library might be the easiest. :) just one thing... does the face library save the expression morphs? i mean... it's all well and good to save your poserdork's elvis face, but not if it is going to loose it's kung-fu mean face after you apply the kung fu pose and replace the face... ya know?