{I am totally willing to pay for it.. We aren't geting much though and I would be happy to pay out of my own pocket.. } Should have mentioned that then huh!? {I was just thinking about giving some experience to people who wanted it... } Awww... That's nice - your first taste of creative rip off folks! :) There are enough people willing and quite able to take yet another naive artist for a ride, don't add to the insult. {To some people, Experience is worth more then a bit of cash.} Experience is golden, it's priceless - but thankfully due to some of OUR experienced insight, we are able to inform the less experienced of a simple fact: if it's good enough to be used, then it's good enough to be paid for properly, and you have a right to ask what you will get and have it in writing before you show anything to anybody. Ideas are priceless, not fee-less. Dash - On one hand I can see what you are trying to offer, and that's nice and admirable, but the overiding sense I got was that you want something for nothing because you haven't conceived an idea yourself. If I was really stuck with a concept problem and I didn't have the time or the skill to deal with it, i'd either turn the job down, pass it on in full to someone else or mention quite clearly that I would pay a proper fee for it. {Anyways, not a big deal so don't get all angry about it. } not being angry at all, just informing the uninformed. :)

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