I've been okay with the upgrades, least they are trying. I am disapointed in the extras that were promised and we don't get word of. animal models, plugins etc that was promised. If I have to pay for a upgraded poser 5 propack to get a lightwave plugin for poser 5, I'm gunna get pissed. One of the advertisings said that Poser 5 included the features of Poser 4 pro pack. Now it seems that those plugins are extra cost now. I'm not holding my breath from anything from CuriousLabs, if something comes great, if not, I won't be suprised. Daz Studio is where I'll send my money.