tuttle - I hear you ... I hear you. :] jaymonjay - who's getting riled? - art = whatever you want it to, but ideas for a comercail project = money unless you are: a) already wealthy and can be indulgent for the sport of it or... b) a hobbyist with no knowledge that some people actually do art for a living or... c} no idea how the world works or... d) an idiot. QUOTE from a former incarnation but in the same territory: "Can you paint me a portrait of my dog?" "Of course I can!" "What would you charge?" "150-250" "What???....How much???.....He's not a very big dog, and I only want it to go on my little coffee table" "it makes no difference whether he i a Great Dane or a Toy Poodle!" "That's expensive... I know a guy who paints in watercolours for a hobby, and he quoted me 20!" "Well get him to do it then!" "But your better!" "...!..." "Anyway, I thought you painted because you enjoy it!?" "I do, but you want a portrait of your dog... what makes you think that's any more enjoyable to me than your daily job?.... What do you earn a week?" "...er..." "...!..." And that's just one example. Hey guys, there is no better experience than doing and finding out for yourself, so don't listen to anybody else! :)

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