Yes, and as OS, memory, video card, and cpu structures advance, Poser is looking older and older. Soon it'll be a stagecoach will AM radio and a fan. ;) From what I've read from the initial press-release of Poser 5 up until now, it appears that the one determining factor is that CL promised to once and for all correct problems endemic to the application from its inception. The fact that they mentioned "from the ground up" rewrite of the code shows that this was their claim. Instead, as you said, they made a couple of minor modifications and piled on bells and whistles while leaving the bugs intact. This is what has caused the most unsympathetic voices to be heard. With the long wait and promises, the results were demeaning to both CL and its users. One issue that I take personally is what they call an "undo" feature. There are programs out there for free, written by teenagers with better undo/redo support. I've written better undo/redo feature support in my own programs - one programmer. Seems to me that the programmers at CL don't actually program but just tweak the founding code a little here and there. Compare the feature/stability of Poser from 1999 and 2003 against any other continuing 3D application from 1999 to 2003 and you will see what I mean. BYS