Now, this color wouldn't be so terrible,draculaz, just as long as there is a high enough contrast with the text colors. The gray on gray they use over at RDNA is about as close to unreadable as it gets, which is why you never see me in their forums. I just can't read them. I'm still not sure why all this has to be hard coded, though. It's not like everyone cares about the logo and whether or not the site matches the silly thing. I say the best solution would be to allow us to keep our custom colors as far as the text and background are concerned. Kate (who doesn't give a rat's behind about matching the logo)