Ming you should buy it and try it before you judge. You might be plesantly suprised. I would suggest though, you make sure your computer can handle it. I knew mine could and it does. They used the same code as p4? I don't know if they did or not, do you know if they did or not for a fact? Did they use the p4 cloth room? or the p4 hair room? or the p4 material room? Sure they reused the gui. But you can't add all those 'frills' without rewriting the core. Any who feels the need to push their supposed years of psudeo-techno-geekdome in order to justify to the readers that what 'they say' is word above practicle experience needs some rethinking. I have practicle P5 experience and that makes me an authority over you and anyone who gave up on it. Thats a fact. Another fact is, regardless of what 'you' think is wrong with it, I use it to it's fullest and I know P5 'IS' better than P4 and i don't have to be a p4 user to say that. P4 doesnt have hair, cloth or the mat-lab p5 does. If the issues people using p4 are also experienced in p5 then it doesnt mean it is the same comde at all. p4 code was writen too long ago to be of any practicle use in p5. With newer cpu's, gpu's, os's and periferals p5 can and should only exsist with a newer machine that is properly updated and functioning at it's capacity. (is this a flaw? who cares!? I have a newer machine and it works fine) My p4 2.4 w/512 of ram does an amazing job of pushing p5, ps7 and 3ds at the same time. All you ram junkies can get off your pedestals now. If you have a comparable machine running win2k and it doesnt work for you then you got a problem that doesn't sit on poser5's shoulder.