Heyas Baz, Great idea man... i can put available a separated mesh for each step online for you guys if you like and ill be around here all the time now.... I am also doin a lot of Z-BRUSHing latelly so im gonna be posting some stuff of it as well and how to use a default modeler+zbrush (great team)... Lets go with the challenge or even a mini-session between us anytime... As soon as i get home from work im gonna post the spiraloid text in here.. Cheers mates Loggie