Many thanks to you 3ncrytabl3_lick. Sounds like great advice, but may as well be Japanese. I have studied the forums here and read many tuts. Just now am I starting to get my hands dirty. I think I'm going to be okay with Poser but modeling seems like a tougher nut to crack. Welding identical vertices didn't work, maybe I'm trying to do something advanced when I'm only a beginner...but eventually I'll figure it out, eventually I'll be great! (...did I say that out loud?) While I have seen some vehicles for poser and have a couple, none of them resemble a ford pick-up. Just had an idea for it but looks like it will be on hold for awhile.:) The one pictured above is not my creation, a freebie off the web. Someday I will make great models for you guys, wish me luck! Thanks for your help. Tha Birdman