Advantages? It's caused me to get to grips with IE's font and colour handling, anyone know how IE's stylesheet function works? I've got the colours down, (it even does the mouseover/hover colour, woohoo!) But frames aren't green... I figure if I can get the frames grren I'll be happy man. Luckily I've a few saved pages that I can use to lookup the actual colours I used to use from the source :) Mean! Mean? I have no idea what you mean... :P later jb