That is bee-utiful. I played around with a rope texture. Check this one and see what you think. Ok, I filled out the little home page thingy here on Renderosity and uploaded the pic of the rope. Just to show you. You will have to get there, lol. Then you can tell me how to take it off of there. I couldn't get it off, I guess that is my self portrait now. ;-) Does this message board take html? How do y'all post images? (can't link to my site) Thanks. Bee