Depends on what you want to do. For close-up facial work, Vickie can't be beaten. The range of facial expressions is incredible, and the realism of them is superb. I still find that Eve is slightly better for posing than Vickie and the wide range of P4 clothes for posette can't be beaten. Rena's Vickie/P4NF is absolutely superb as it satisfies two criterea - it gives you the realism of expression that you get from Vickie while making it possible to use the full range of clothes for posette IMHO, she's well worth it Paul