Momodot, I think that the texture map (actually 2 now) from Zygote that a lot of people use is part of the 'samey' look. Go back and look at Allie's old woman and her 'saint', James Schoen's images and others. I looked at the PFO Vicky contest and I think a lot of those images were done before there were many other textures around--cept for the Zygote fairy and hero texes. I just haven't done any credible textures except adaptations from P4 ones that have turned out okay but those do allow some differences. I keep meaning to look at your morphs again--I was going to dl some of the ones you had on Freestuff and then you had problems and I haven't gone back for them--ones like those added to Vic could do really neat things. I understand your reluctance to buy anything new. I hesitate to add much to my graphics apps because this is just for fun for me so I'm pretty selective. I've bought Steve's and Rena's CDs, the costume CD from Zygote and Vicky-that's about it except for some 2D apps (along with, of course, Bryce and Poser-both bought in 99)--oh and some of Lynn's and Debra's wonderful animals.