SDL, Yeah the 'hump' for me in Carrara was to put a colored infinite plane on the ground and give the backgrounf some color so I could see what I was doing to my poor models. Sometimes it's just something simple like that. I'm not trying to compare the programs by any means, just saying I understand how nice it is to get past these humps. congratulations - I like the texture on the head of that mushroom! -TJ