(grins) Thanks for the texture info, Sir Bryster, I'm on it... Slakker! You bastard! I already had the rest of the cave done, you spoiled my surprise! (laughs playfully!) It's ending up being an experiment in Bryce 5's True Ambience feature, and is the next image in my cave series. Thanks of course to OCDDoug for bringing "series-es" back in style... (heh heh) Here's a ridiculous 16-hour-plus render I started yesterday. This was on a Pentium 2 - 266MHz, 64MB RAM, all Bryce 4 and no postwork other than .jpg-izing...