well, since i don't have v6, i guess i'll have to be a v7 only brush creator :o(( i was able to make the same brushes in v5LE, but they have no icons, although the icons show up in v7....i can't really see any way around that, so i'll stick to v7 brushes...hopefully, there are enough v7 users out there to make my endeavor worthwhile ;o) thanks so much for all your help!!! tam ;o)