i've this picture in my head that i think she'd be perfect for!! i'm trying to dupe it all out as i type... i can tell ya that she converts beautifully to V2 [grin] also, kudos for giving her skin such a tactile aspect without aid from a .bum... i'm tight on disk space and have an avid appreciation for things requiring no .bum at the mo'... ps - cool tongue, btw... ::giggle::