Forum: Community Center


Subject: Censorship

gilo25 opened this issue on Jun 20, 2003 ยท 56 posts


Crescent posted Sun, 22 June 2003 at 10:51 AM

Okay, being polite isn't working. I'm going to be blunt. If it comes off as harsh, it's because nothing else seems to be working.

  1. This is a privately owned web site. It is not the a government. It is ultimately up to the site owners what they want on their site and what they do not.

Would you go to the MOMA or the Louvre and tell the curators that they have to put your work up on their walls? If they said that they liked all your pictures except one, would you tell them you were being repressed, insult the staff and demand that they put all of your works up or else?

Can I go to your web site and demand that you put all of my pictures up?

  1. The Mod who brought up the picture to the team asked for a group vote on it because it was borderline. For the few pictures that we do remove (I couldn't tell you the exact numbers, but I know it's very small), we often put it up to a group vote to make sure that it isn't a misunderstanding. (We've had a couple of cases where the Mod was tired and just completely mis-read the picture.) We've removed pictures from other people's galleries, and your other pictures are still in the gallery, so it's not like we decided to target you.

**In no way does taking down one picture compare to a military junta who has tortured and killed many people over the years, enriching themselves at the expense of 50 million people. Making that comparison is insulting both to the people at this site as well as the people of Burma who've suffered real abuse for decades. Ms. Sukyi may die soon from the conditions of the prison cell she was put into - an old dog kennel facility. And you can't post one particular picture here that you like.

I'm very sorry you think your tragedy is equal to, or greater than, her likely death.**

  1. If the picture is not suitable for the gallery, it is not suitable for the site. Period. If we allowed unsuitable pictures in one area of the site and not another, that would be totally inconsistant.

  2. There is no way that absolutely every single variation of what is acceptable and what is not could ever be written out. I've seen pictures posted (and subsequently removed) that technically did not break TOS but were most assuredly not appropriate for the site. (Pictures of women covered in semen and other body fluids for example. It was argued that it wasn't a picture of a sex act but an "after the act" picture.

Gee, why not a "No body fluid" rule? Well, then that removes all fluids, including blood, sweat, and tears. Personally, I would have thought semen on a person would be considered a sex act, but the poster argued it wasn't.

No, I am not saying your picture was in the league with the semen-drenched woman, but I'm using it as an example of why we have the "not suitable for the community" clause. The example picture, in strictest sense, did not break the letter of the TOS, but it did break the spirit of it.

  1. I'm trying to be nice here, but the one picture that was removed really did look like an ad for a porn site. Between the expression on her face, the half-removed shirt, and the placement of the fingers, the woman looks like she was caught playing with herself, starting with her breasts.

And before you tell me that I'm obviously a prude, I looked at another picture of your pictures that was brought up for question - the one with a naked woman lying on top of another naked woman - and I said that it wasn't a problem. It could quite easily be interpreted as intimacy - caring lovers spending time together instead of being caught in the act of having sex.

  1. There are many sites out there that would love to have all of your pictures. If you don't like Renderotica, there's plenty of other sites out there. If you feel that everything you put up must be accepted without question, then this is not the site for you. We do monitor this site, we haven't made any pretentions otherwise, and we do pull images that are not acceptable.

I'm sorry you feel so abused when 1 picture was pulled and 38 were kept.