currently with the Poser 5 War (before anyone starts - ppl have probs with 5, some don't get over it..) causing a bad reputation in the community and business in general, (well, if we buy 5 will it work for us? etc), I'd say if Poser is to have a future then CL have a lot of ground to recover. First would be to fix the probs in 5 that cause it to work fine on some machines but crash and burn on others. (again - before anyone starts - this does need to be address and just not shouted down by the users that have no probs - we need to work together not be divided.) Right now, Daz are in the position where they can steal the entire Poser niche market from CL.. we live in interesting times... Kai