And if Poser isn't bad enough on it's own... you can get infected by other programs aswel just by coming here. Cybermonk pointed out Wings 3D to me a while back. Saturday I finaly started working with it, thanks to a simple to follow tutorial by Draculaz. So I got to bed at 3:30 this morning, and was awake until about 5 contemplating on how I could make a detailed car in Wings 3D.... And working out, in my head how to make a wheel. Plus side.. it only took 45 minutes to do the actual model :) Cheers, Axe.